Just his whole work ethic I found fascinating, so I jumped at the opportunity to be able to do something with him. CINDY: Uh huh. Like a Datsun Toyota cream-colored car. I was surprised that I could do it and then go home and be able to feel removed from it. He was the lead reporter on the Pulitzer Prize-winning "Lawless" project and is part of an ongoing collaboration between the ADN and ProPublica's Local Reporting Network. Your email address will not be published. Vanessa Hudgens turns in a surprisingly raw and emotionally powerful performance in Scott Walker's suspenseful thriller, The Frozen Ground, as 17-year-old street hooker Cindy Paulson, one of. CINDY: Um hmm. Still, he couldve taken a life before he was busted, who knows? That seemed to be a common enough thing to do, plenty of troubled Americans had moved to Alaska to start a new life, and this worked out splendidly for Robert! CINDY: Um, he had me chained around my neck for a time. He spent many of the final years of his life working as a jailhouse barber. * I would like to talk about Roberts wife, Darla, and their two children for a minute. Why dont we start then with what will be freshest in mind, which is the the cases that are pending now and from what happened in June of last year. CINDY: Uh huh. In this installment, Cindy talks about and proves her observational powers, in this case related to Robert Hansen's house on Old Harbor Road. And I really, really If there was any chance of me getting away, he wasnt getting away with it. Robert had been in the habit of keeping a souvenir from most of his hunting sessions, whether it be wild game or women. How was the directing process with Scott Walker? FLOTHE: Like a station wagon? Glenn Flothe and his wife, Cheryl, after her successful kidney transplant in 2007 https://lelandhale.com/butcherbaker/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/cindy_interview_mofo.mp3, Murder in Alaska: Teen Killers In The 80s, Arrest of Robert Hansen: Nothing But the Truth, Sort Of, Darla Hansen: The Better Half of Robert Hansen, Hansen's Past Warranted Property Search - Butcher Baker, A Killer's Turning Point, Badly Missed - Butcher Baker. (pause) When did you first see this man, Cindy? FLOTHE: Either he had opened it or it was already open? View the profiles of professionals named "Cindy Paulson" on LinkedIn. Its by far the craziest transformation Ive had yet. I really respect that. He was really sweet. Hansen landed in a federal prison in Pennsylvania but didn't get along with other inmates.He served time in Minnesota before returning to Alaska in May 1988, corrections officials said at the time. Required fields are marked *. CINDY: Sunday. FLOTHE: In your face? He joined the ADN in 2004. Being in an office meant that team building happened naturally, and to re-create that connection virtually, takes a lot of To be authentic, inclusion needs action behind it. CINDY: Nope. Hansen would kidnap the women at gunpoint, tie them up, then fly to remote areas to kill them. This is Installment Three of the September 27, 1983, interview of Cindy Paulson by Sgt. Hudgens: Oh my gosh, Nic is the most professional actor Ive ever worked with and that I probably will ever work with. We should all help each other out and give love to everyone as much as possible. He was the lead reporter on the Pulitzer Prize-winning "Lawless" project and is part of an ongoing collaboration between the ADN and ProPublica's Local Reporting Network. It turned into a cat and mouse chase. In this installment, Cindy talks about being handcuffed by Robert Hansen at gunpoint and identifies his handgun. No problem. Facebook gives people the power to. FLOTHE: OK. Instead he would immediately force her to board his small bush plane, and hed fly her out to a desolate area near Knik River where he would sexually assault her in a little shack which hed occupied there. This is Installment Two of the September 27, 1983, interview of Cindy Paulson by Sgt. FLOTHE: OK. Where were you at when you saw him on a Friday? A one-stop-shop for all things video games. CINDY: It was about maybe four in the morning, three-thirty in the morning. And the reality of it is were all human. FLOTHE: Do you remember how he was dressed on Sunday? FLOTHE: OK. Its been some time since you last talked to him, in fact, its been quite some time. Were the lights on or off? FLOTHE: Like this? As soon as he was of age Robert joined the Army reserves and moved to another town where he found himself a wife, but he was still treated badly. In her case, becoming authentic on the job took 10-plus years. Ducks and birds. FLOTHE: So, youre in the car and he pulls a gun out and he handcuffs you. CINDY: Thats it. Did he only do a few takes or did he do as many as he felt he needed? Women were tortured, beaten and assaulted before being blindfolded, with their hands bound behind their backs and told to run. Its a over shirt. When his truck became stuck in the mud, the woman tried to run. The date on her grave marker is April 24, 1984, one day off the date the body was found. He was right to worry, state officials later said. There are 30+ professionals named "Cindy Paulson", who use LinkedIn to exchange information, ideas, and opportunities. Hansen was the subject of a 2013 film titled, 'The Frozen Ground,' which starred Nicolas Cage as an Alaskan State Trooper investigating the slayings, with actor John Cusack portraying Hansen. Kids can be so cruel; while the boys his own age poked fun of and beat on him, the girls all laughed about how ugly he was. CINDY: Yeah, it had a really long barrel. Can you talk about your fun cameo in Machete Kills and what that experience was like? Im a little confused about when the airplane seat got in and out of the car. FLOTHE: I hope not. (laughs) Its a quick little cameo. For the life of me, i cant see any reason why the state of Alaska, or anyone would keep robert Hansen alive after his conviction Why would you keep a monster like this alive and have the peoples tax money feed such an animal for years.. Cant wrap my head around it.. Alaska does not have the death penalty and has never had it (since Statehood). What made you want to do it? 17-year-old Cindy Paulson ran away from Hansen in 1983 as he was trying to load her into his plane and "take her out to his cabin," presumably a euphemism for the vacant Alaskan wilderness where he gunned down his victims. Hansen couldn't or wouldn't help identify her. Survivor Cindy, who is a married mother of three today. I looked in the back, OK, there was like a you know how seats in front have covers theyre metal? Glenn Flothe, AST. You mentioned a minute ago, Cindy, that he wanted you to go home with him, or something, and you didnt want to go home with him, or FLOTHE: Can you describe it a little bit more to me? CINDY: Nope. Heres a link: https://www.patreon.com/Morbidnmacabre. Lets touch on this serials background for a minute, because thats important when looking at a killer. Let's get it straight: "My wife befriended Cindy for months at all hours of the night and morning without ever meeting her until two days before she was to testify against Hansen. Hansen was officially charged with the abduction and rape of Cindy Paulson and the murders of Joanna Messina, Sherry Morrow, Paula Goulding, and the unidentified body known as "Eklutna Annie." On February 28, 1984, Robert Hansen was sentenced to 461 years plus life in prison with no parole. Darla had truly believed that if she stuck it out, she could eventually talk Robert into going to church with her more often she thought that she could save the soul of the man shed vowed before God to love, and her marriage would be fixed as well. CINDY: Uh huh Anchorage's jail is one of the state's only correctional facilities with a medical unit. Hudgens: Nothing that I want to talk about quite yet. We must step back and reflect to see new opportunities for growth. FLOTHE: Youre trying to get out? CINDY: Yeah. Hudgens: It depended on the scene. Yes, Cindy Paulson is a real person, and as shown in the movie, she was one of the many women who were abducted by Robert Hansen. He is just so punctual, and he always knows his lines, and hes there to get the job done. Now her body has been exhumed from from the cemetery at Anchorage Memorial Park with the hope that DNA testing and facial reconstruction will lead to her being identified. FLOTHE: At this time, so I know what youre talking about, cause I have not been in the house, Cindy She is known for her incredible homemade bars that she shares with riders while they enjoy the scenic views of nature along the trail. The FBI had been spot on about everything. Then on the night, and when this I guess, really began, uh, I met her up town after, well, on the Saturday, CINDY:(Inaudible) gave the gentleman my telephone number and asked him to call me. FLOTHE: OK. So its immoral to make snap judgments about people. CINDY: No. CINDY: Um hmm. I just want to do everything. Several months later, police with search warrants went through Hansen's home, finding enough evidence to eventually charge him with four murders. Your email address will not be published. Since his release from the Iowan prison, Robert had been arrested more than once for crimes such as shoplifting, but somewhere around 71 and 72 he was arrested for having sexually assaulted both a sex worker and a housewife by the names of Patricia Roberts and Susan Heppeard. Hansens House, Old Harbor Road (copyright Leland E. Hale). You know, I was supposed to meet him. Big ol like caribou and goats heads, big ones stuffed everywhere. And she, uh, cant remember if she wasnt there or she couldnt couldt meet me. While she was in her element, developing regional client solutions with diversely talented teams, she realized that her clients and many colleagues did not know much about her personal life. There were horns. He often found his victims among topless dancers and prostitutes in downtown Anchorage. Im not going to help you do that, all right? In the early morning of June 13th 1983, (months before the other bodies were found) Cindy Paulson appeared on the side of the road. FLOTHE: Wasnt painted. Hansen said that victim is the woman known to police as Eklutna Annie, a roughly 20-year-old brunette whose body was discovered in 1980 by electric workers repairing a power line outside Eagle River. Cindy reveals that Hansen flashed some bills at her and that she was entranced by the thought of his money. The woman, who was. Kidnapped: Cindy Paulson, Part II July 18, 2017 Admin Leave a comment This is Installment Two of the September 27, 1983, interview of Cindy Paulson by Sgt. The hair on the back of his neck stood up and his neck got red, and he was pissed," Rothschild said in a phone interview Thursday. And um, after he had got the condom on, I kept doing it, and then he kept feeling around my neck, like he was just trippin, playing around with my neck and my necklaces. All Rights Reserved., https://lelandhale.com/butcherbaker/wordpress/2017/09/08/robert-hansen-graves-along-knik/, Killers found not guilty by reason of insanity. (sound of paper being torn off a tablet) FLOTHE: The same person. It became very accessible to me. On June 13, 1983, Cindy Paulson was kidnapped and raped, her life threatened by Robert Hansen. This is Installment Three of the September 27, 1983, interview of Cindy Paulson by Sgt. Looking at picture number five, is there anything different about him as you saw him, compared to the picture, Robert Hansen Police Lineup Photo And who showed you those pictures? FLOTHE: Was there anything else unusual about the house? Order my latest book, What Happened In Craig, HERE and HERE, true crime on Epicenter Press about Alaskas Worst Unsolved Mass Murder. FLOTHE: Did he seem pretty sincere about wanting to get with you? CINDY: And then after I looked I recognized him. After hed taken a nap, Cindys kidnapper informed her that they were going on a little trip on his plane, but that she shouldnt be alarmed as hed already taken seven other women out to this location. To the left is the basement. "He's one of those kind of guys that you kind of hope every breath he takes in his life, there's some pain associated with it, because he caused such pain," Rothschild said. FLOTHE: Did he tell you what his name was? Does he tell you anything at that point, once hes got the handcuffs on The one person who really seemed to have believed Cindy and became determined to stop this killer was a state trooper by the name of Glenn Flothe. So in 1939 Robert was born in Estherville, Iowa to an immigrant father. Im not correct on the times, OK? (inaudible). Im not involved though. CINDY: Yeah. FLOTHE: Did he give you change? Only reason I know was cause I was layin there. There was a bullet hole in the floor. CINDY: Uh huh. When his wife, Darla Marie Henrichsen Hensen, and their children were home (they visited family in Arkansas quite often) its believed that Robert would simply skip taking his victim home altogether. So it was nice to kind of test my own mental and physical strength. CINDY: Yep. This actually wasnt an uncommon thing for parents to do during this time period, plenty of us lefties in past generations were forced to conform, but apparently this deeply scarred this young man. In the 1960s he moved to Anchorage and opened a bakery of his own in a strip mall at Ninth Avenue and Ingra Street. Way down on the floor. He had rolled the window down and I opened the door and I sat down and I talked to him. CINDY: All right. Investigators believe that before killing his victims, Robert would often take them to his cabin in the wilderness in his private jet. While there does not seem to be a singular traumatic event in Roberts childhood which we can pinpoint, it appears that hed had a really difficult time in most aspects of his life as a kid and even as an adult he just couldnt (or wouldnt) let it go. You can listen to the podcast of this interview here. Sadly in a roundabout way Robert brought upon his own two children the same thing which had traumatized him, his kids were bullied mercilessly for their fathers evil acts. Glenn Flothe, AST. It seems that every source I looked at says something different, though generally within those three years. FLOTHE: Did you get into his car, or did he just get out or what? The killer received a 461-year sentence in February 1984, pleading guilty to four of the murders. Wonderful tram tour guide Cindy is starting her fourth year as a trail tram tour driver for MCRF. I know I have support from leadership and throughout, and thats a great feeling., As the executive sponsor of BCs employee network group for women, Cindy worked to amplify the Balance and Belonging culture and framework internally and externally across an industry with historical nature of the industry being male dominated. FLOTHE: What did he ask you? (pause) FLOTHE: You saw a bunch of money in his wallet? We must find our commonalities through sharing our experiences, spreading awareness, and caring for one another. What did you learn from them? It must also be mentioned that she and the children were constantly insulted and belittled by Robert, and it wouldnt be surprising to learn that he was physically abusive; there may have been some trauma bonding there as well. This is Installment Four of the September 27, 1983, interview of Cindy Paulson by Sgt. FLOTHE: I wanna show you six pictures, Cindy, and the person that were talking about may or may not be in here. Robert chased after his intended victim, but it was no use. CINDY: Yes. Being authentic creates the space for diversity of thought and means drawing on experiences that fall outside the box. The only thing which he ever seemed to truly succeed in, the one thing which others commended him for, were his exceptional hunting skills. My wife and family were down in Arkansas visiting her folks places and, um, I had met her the first time up town. CINDY: No. Be sure and look at all six. When she made the move to California in 2001, she became more open, sharing that she was happily married to a woman who also happened to be a great cook and winemaker. A woman accused Hansen of rape in 1971, even as he awaited trial in a separate incident for following a stranger to her Spenard home and trying to kidnap her at gunpoint, according to Anchorage Daily News reports at the time. He said cause he used to work on the slopes and that he would come down and spend money for a girl and go to her room for ten or fifteen minutes. What Cindy Paulson escaped is mind-numbing. Cause at the time, I was very new to Alaska and I dont never go to anybodys house. Uh, FR: Would it have been during the time when your wife and children were out of. FLOTHE: Really dark color. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Copyright 2023 Butcher Baker Primer WordPress theme by. In this installment, Cindy provides additional information about how she met and ended up with Robert Hansen. How did you approach your portrayal of Cindy? She was a prostitute who was kidnapped and raped before managing to escape, but when she went to the police, Hansen evaded arrest because the lead investigator didn't . I feel like women have an easier time separating from their characters than men do, honestly. All throughout the mid seventies and even into the eighties Robert carried on with his hobby of abducting and murdering women, and there's no telling how much longer he would've lasted had he not decided to attack a 17 year old girl by the name of Cindy Paulson in June of '83. As of 5:30 Saturday afternoon theres a new article available. (inaudible) CINDY: Well, I didnt. They pushed me every day to get reactions out of me on the camera that I wouldnt have done if it wasnt for them taking me to those places. See how my sights are painted with an orange The others were never located. I just had no idea what it would be like for me to be fully authentic at work.. He offered me $200 for a blowjob in the car, cause I wouldnt go to his place. Email khopkins@adn.com. Glenn Flothe, AST. He joined the ADN in 2004 and was also an editor and investigative reporter at KTUU-TV. FLOTHE: Were you shown any pictures of him before? We are all the same. Hudgens: Its important for me because its easy for people to make snap judgments about young women in her position. FLOTHE: At what time did he call you on Saturday? Were all connected. Normally, people try avoiding that. In this installment, Cindy talks about being handcuffed by Robert Hansen at gunpoint and identifies his handgun. Handle was brown. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. When will it be released? CINDY: He approached me. It was very, very eerie and really tough, but John (Cusack) was great. I guess Im superstitious, so I dont like talking about things until they happen, but there are a few things in the works. Youve taken on some very interesting, challenging roles lately in different genres like this film and also Gimme Shelter. Process Intensification with BC:Ntensify, Technology and Innovation Leadership Team, Brown and Caldwell looks to the future of 75 years and counting, Black History Month and Engineers Week: Why I became an engineer. And hes about five six, weighs about 170 pounds. Her circumstances were different and not ideal for most, but that was just her current state. It was super fun and really quick. CINDY: He wrote it down on a (inaudible). Couple find note in chimney that reveals their 290,000 house was 100 times cheaper 50 years ago. 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